Comments on: Ardbeg Corryvreckan: Exclusive Tasting Notes!! http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/ A Whisky-Lover's Whisky Blog Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:05:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Pedorstroika http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-1443 Pedorstroika Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:40:26 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-1443 They could call this one the atom bomb! I agree with Gal tho, the Uigedail is easyer on the tongue. The smoke and burnt taste in this one is quite overwelming, even for me, and I call myself an Ardbeg fan. In an Islay tasting I think I would take this one last, because it's so powerfull. The finish is one of the best I ever had, it goes on and on and on. All and all I don't regret I bought this one, but it's very different from my other Ardbegs (10, still young, allmost there, Uigedail, Beist). They could call this one the atom bomb!
I agree with Gal tho, the Uigedail is easyer on the tongue. The smoke and burnt taste in this one is quite overwelming, even for me, and I call myself an Ardbeg fan.
In an Islay tasting I think I would take this one last, because it’s so powerfull.
The finish is one of the best I ever had, it goes on and on and on.
All and all I don’t regret I bought this one, but it’s very different from my other Ardbegs (10, still young, allmost there, Uigedail, Beist).

]]> By: JimmyC http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-698 JimmyC Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:53:54 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-698 Have yet to put my nose to this dram. But if it can best the beast, then rest assured that a bottle will sit above the laphroaig, where it will be more often used. I'm sad to see the nam beist go! Have yet to put my nose to this dram. But if it can best the beast, then rest assured that a bottle will sit above the laphroaig, where it will be more often used.

I’m sad to see the nam beist go!

]]> By: Jeff http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-655 Jeff Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:12:20 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-655 In looking at the £70 price in the UK and the $85 USD price in the USA there is a disparity in cost vs. volume, however, one must evaluate how the costs are compiled. We do not have a VAT in the USA in addition to a sales tax which effects the cost of the whisky. 17% VAT is put on every bottle of Whisky except those comming to the USA. My best estimate to the USA import price for Corryvreckan would be approx £15 per bottle for 75cl from there one needs to add: -cost of ocean freight -Gallonage taxes, customs costs, broker costs, and etc -importer mark up -lorry costs to warehouse+ warehouseing fees -lorrry cost to wholesaler -wholesaler mark up +local tax -delivery charges to retailer -retailer mark up + local tax From here things can get a bit complicated as each person in the distributain can take a larger or smaller mark up than I have calculated. Since most importers represent several brands they also can sell things at a loss or break even and make up for it. Wholesalers can take a smaller margin if it means selling out quickly. This also occurs with some retailers. Retailers who are known to sell inexpensive whisky compared to the competition may be low balling the price of certain brands in an effort to get you to shop there. They anticipate you being a long term client and will more than pay for any discount you have recieved. I need to state for the record that the above is only based off of my personal knowledge from running my business and is by no means based off of any facts on how Ardbeg does its business. They are a much larger company than mine and have vastly different costs structures. In the end I would say that the real difference in costs has more to do with Taxes and VAT than mean corporate profit mongers. Cheers, Jeff In looking at the £70 price in the UK and the $85 USD price in the USA there is a disparity in cost vs. volume, however, one must evaluate how the costs are compiled. We do not have a VAT in the USA in addition to a sales tax which effects the cost of the whisky. 17% VAT is put on every bottle of Whisky except those comming to the USA.

My best estimate to the USA import price for Corryvreckan would be approx £15 per bottle for 75cl from there one needs to add:
-cost of ocean freight
-Gallonage taxes, customs costs, broker costs, and etc
-importer mark up
-lorry costs to warehouse+ warehouseing fees
-lorrry cost to wholesaler
-wholesaler mark up +local tax
-delivery charges to retailer
-retailer mark up + local tax

From here things can get a bit complicated as each person in the distributain can take a larger or smaller mark up than I have calculated. Since most importers represent several brands they also can sell things at a loss or break even and make up for it. Wholesalers can take a smaller margin if it means selling out quickly. This also occurs with some retailers. Retailers who are known to sell inexpensive whisky compared to the competition may be low balling the price of certain brands in an effort to get you to shop there. They anticipate you being a long term client and will more than pay for any discount you have recieved.

I need to state for the record that the above is only based off of my personal knowledge from running my business and is by no means based off of any facts on how Ardbeg does its business. They are a much larger company than mine and have vastly different costs structures.

In the end I would say that the real difference in costs has more to do with Taxes and VAT than mean corporate profit mongers.

Cheers,

Jeff

]]> By: gal http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-599 gal Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:42:56 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-599 just got my bottle. good stuff. i enjoyed the oranges, and lemons on the nose, and the mouth is very complex. yet, i do think i like the Uigedail better. this one is 90, Uigdeail i will give a 95. just got my bottle.

good stuff. i enjoyed the oranges, and lemons on the nose, and the mouth is very complex.
yet, i do think i like the Uigedail better.

this one is 90, Uigdeail i will give a 95.

]]> By: » Ardbeg Corryvreckan › WhiskyNotes http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-582 » Ardbeg Corryvreckan › WhiskyNotes Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:00:44 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-582 [...] Ardbeg Corryvreckan replaces the Airigh Nam Beist and has already been announced in the UK (check Tim’s notes), but yesterday was the official launch date. The Committee version was received very well last [...] [...] Ardbeg Corryvreckan replaces the Airigh Nam Beist and has already been announced in the UK (check Tim’s notes), but yesterday was the official launch date. The Committee version was received very well last [...]

]]> By: Pär Caldenby http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-570 Pär Caldenby Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:59:54 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-570 Naeh bother apologising - happy to help when possible... / Pär Naeh bother apologising – happy to help when possible…

/ Pär

]]> By: Tim F http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-569 Tim F Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:15:56 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-569 Oops - sorry Par, I should have spotted that. Meg Deak, you are history. Oops – sorry Par, I should have spotted that. Meg Deak, you are history.

]]> By: Pär Caldenby http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-568 Pär Caldenby Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:29:12 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-568 Meg Deak, Borderline (and beyond) copyright infringement and trying to pass off your own products there...go away! / Pär Meg Deak,

Borderline (and beyond) copyright infringement and trying to pass off your own products there…go away!

/ Pär

]]> By: aw http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-557 aw Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:50:15 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-557 @Spirit of Islay: I will happily pay for quality, and from the reviews I've read, this Corryvreckan is right up there as top-notch Ardbeg. If not on age, you can certainly compare ANB and Corry quality-wise; Serge, for example describes Corry as "bigger Airigh Nam Beist" and gives it 92 points. On that basis I'm not going to be too upset at paying £70 seeing as I'm going to water down to ~48% and the bottle will go that much further than one at 46%. @Spirit of Islay: I will happily pay for quality, and from the reviews I’ve read, this Corryvreckan is right up there as top-notch Ardbeg. If not on age, you can certainly compare ANB and Corry quality-wise; Serge, for example describes Corry as “bigger Airigh Nam Beist” and gives it 92 points. On that basis I’m not going to be too upset at paying £70 seeing as I’m going to water down to ~48% and the bottle will go that much further than one at 46%.

]]> By: Spirit of Islay http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-556 Spirit of Islay Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:49:39 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-556 aw , there's a major flaw in your logic . Age , Beist is a 18yo whisky so you can't compare it to Corryvreckan in the way you did . Although the age of Corryvreckan isn't known the ingredients that make it up are known to be from post Glenmorangie Production so say 11yo , though the Committee Bottling was thought to be under 10yo at the time . So a fair comparison would be Renaissance , also post Glenmorangie production , also a similar Strength , 55.9% vs 57.1 . Similar age , Renaissance was 10yo . Now the price..... Renaissance £41.99 Corryvreckan £70 Hmmm bit of a difference ! Even if you go to the other Cask Strength Ardbeg , Uigeadail (not a lot older than 10yo) but only £45 a bottle ! Sorry but it is so bad ! aw , there’s a major flaw in your logic . Age , Beist is a 18yo whisky so you can’t compare it to Corryvreckan in the way you did . Although the age of Corryvreckan isn’t known the ingredients that make it up are known to be from post Glenmorangie Production so say 11yo , though the Committee Bottling was thought to be under 10yo at the time .
So a fair comparison would be Renaissance , also post Glenmorangie production , also a similar Strength , 55.9% vs 57.1 .
Similar age , Renaissance was 10yo .
Now the price…..
Renaissance £41.99
Corryvreckan £70
Hmmm bit of a difference !
Even if you go to the other Cask Strength Ardbeg , Uigeadail (not a lot older than 10yo) but only £45 a bottle !
Sorry but it is so bad !

]]> By: Best in Blog #32: Corryvreckan Makes Waves | Whisky Party http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-555 Best in Blog #32: Corryvreckan Makes Waves | Whisky Party Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:25:47 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-555 [...] Whisky Exchange blog has an interesting take, to say the least, and notes that Corryvreckan will be a site more expensive in [...] [...] Whisky Exchange blog has an interesting take, to say the least, and notes that Corryvreckan will be a site more expensive in [...]

]]> By: aw http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-554 aw Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:54:13 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-554 I think I'll get this. I water down cask strength whiskies to around 46 to 48% (no way could I drink - or even nose - something at 57.1!) so CS bottlings tend to go that much further than the standards. Seeing that Beist is about £50 for 46%, Corry at £70 for 57.1% isn't so bad. I think I’ll get this. I water down cask strength whiskies to around 46 to 48% (no way could I drink – or even nose – something at 57.1!) so CS bottlings tend to go that much further than the standards. Seeing that Beist is about £50 for 46%, Corry at £70 for 57.1% isn’t so bad.

]]> By: Par Caldenby http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-552 Par Caldenby Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:18:12 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-552 I do think that Ardbeg and Bruichladdich (with Octomore) will be in good company before very long - and may even look cheap. While Octomore and to some extent Port Charlotte are very heavily priced for their respective age - and I don't like that very much - there are a number of more reasonably priced bottlings from Bruichladdich. Not that they have a lack of bottlings... However, the above comment that there are now only two reasonably priced Ardbegs left is disconcerting, as it is a very good whisky. But the A10 is treated a bit like bulk and I suppose the second one must be Uigeadail, which is not as unique (or good) as it was when it first came out. Sad development, despite the A10 being good, or usually very good. And particularly sad as I really liked the Committee Corryvreckan with its extra French oak influence. / Pär I do think that Ardbeg and Bruichladdich (with Octomore) will be in good company before very long – and may even look cheap.

While Octomore and to some extent Port Charlotte are very heavily priced for their respective age – and I don’t like that very much – there are a number of more reasonably priced bottlings from Bruichladdich. Not that they have a lack of bottlings… However, the above comment that there are now only two reasonably priced Ardbegs left is disconcerting, as it is a very good whisky. But the A10 is treated a bit like bulk and I suppose the second one must be Uigeadail, which is not as unique (or good) as it was when it first came out. Sad development, despite the A10 being good, or usually very good. And particularly sad as I really liked the Committee Corryvreckan with its extra French oak influence.

/ Pär

]]> By: Spirit of Islay http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-551 Spirit of Islay Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:02:45 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-551 What makes it even worse now is that John hansell says on his blog that the Corryvreckan will be $85 in the USA , thats £52 at current rates for a whole 50ml more ! I can't see TWE/LFW/RMW matching that from £70 Willie.... What makes it even worse now is that John hansell says on his blog that the Corryvreckan will be $85 in the USA , thats £52 at current rates for a whole 50ml more !
I can’t see TWE/LFW/RMW matching that from £70 Willie….

]]> By: Christofer http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-550 Christofer Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:21:05 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-550 £70 is a lot of money, at least for my wallet. But the Corryvreckan is without a doubt the finest Ardbeg I've tasted. Beating Supernova, 17yrs OB, 17 yrs OMC and Uigedail. I'm sorry to say that I will buy at least two Corrys as soon as they hit the stores. £70 is a lot of money, at least for my wallet. But the Corryvreckan is without a doubt the finest Ardbeg I’ve tasted. Beating Supernova, 17yrs OB, 17 yrs OMC and Uigedail. I’m sorry to say that I will buy at least two Corrys as soon as they hit the stores.

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]]> By: Sue Denim http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-548 Sue Denim Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:07:27 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-548 Ah, but Tim your notes aren't half as fluffy and pretentious! Why do so many marketing people seem to think malt fans want a novel's worth of tasting notes for one single bottle? Do they think this drivel actual sells their whisky, or are they doing it as a joke? Not that I pay any attention to them anyway, i'd rather come to my own conclusion. I think you're spot on with the supply and demand price-point issue too, at least in the cases of Ardbeg and Bruichladdich. The question is, do you continue to cough up £70 or more for these peaty Islay malts, or (god forbid) consider trying a whisky not from Islay? Ah, but Tim your notes aren’t half as fluffy and pretentious! Why do so many marketing people seem to think malt fans want a novel’s worth of tasting notes for one single bottle? Do they think this drivel actual sells their whisky, or are they doing it as a joke? Not that I pay any attention to them anyway, i’d rather come to my own conclusion.

I think you’re spot on with the supply and demand price-point issue too, at least in the cases of Ardbeg and Bruichladdich. The question is, do you continue to cough up £70 or more for these peaty Islay malts, or (god forbid) consider trying a whisky not from Islay?

]]> By: jim http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-547 jim Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:51:54 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-547 You couldn't see the whirlpool??? Shocking! :) You couldn’t see the whirlpool??? Shocking! :)

]]> By: Tim P http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-546 Tim P Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:07:52 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-546 Tim...great blog entry!!! £70 is a bit of a shock to me, but these wackos that Gordon mentioned mess it up for the rest of us. Paying substantially more than RRP on ebay or whiskyauction for an expression that is still available in retail is utterly mind numbing. Geez! Tim…great blog entry!!!

£70 is a bit of a shock to me, but these wackos that Gordon mentioned mess it up for the rest of us. Paying substantially more than RRP on ebay or whiskyauction for an expression that is still available in retail is utterly mind numbing.

Geez!

]]> By: borgom http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-545 borgom Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:39:49 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-545 The news of this pricing is very disappointing. I love Ardbeg whisky but I've also been priced out of purchasing this. How can £70 possibly be justified? I understand TimF's point about the inevitability of price rises but a few like Ardbeg have increased pricing far beyond a justifyable rate. The news of this pricing is very disappointing.
I love Ardbeg whisky but I’ve also been priced out of purchasing this.
How can £70 possibly be justified?
I understand TimF’s point about the inevitability of price rises but a few like Ardbeg have increased pricing far beyond a justifyable rate.

]]> By: Willie JJ http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-544 Willie JJ Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:07:49 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-544 Yes the price point is distressing. Hopefully the large retailers will judge that it is too high and take some of the sting out of it :) It is worrying that the number of reasonably priced Ardbegs is now down to two. Yes the price point is distressing. Hopefully the large retailers will judge that it is too high and take some of the sting out of it :)

It is worrying that the number of reasonably priced Ardbegs is now down to two.

]]> By: Jimmy321 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-543 Jimmy321 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:05:42 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-543 It's really sad to see the price i was looking forward to the replacement of the Beist (being my fav Ardbeg) but at £70.00 i will wait to try this years Lagavulin 12 before i decide to stock up on a good affordable dram. It’s really sad to see the price i was looking forward to the replacement of the Beist (being my fav Ardbeg) but at £70.00 i will wait to try this years Lagavulin 12 before i decide to stock up on a good affordable dram.

]]> By: C57 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-542 C57 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:43:17 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-542 Not so long ago I would have bought it at that price, if only to compare with the Committee release. Times and finances have changed and Ardbeg have now priced me out of their market for this one. Good job I still have a couple of Committee bottles! Not so long ago I would have bought it at that price, if only to compare with the Committee release.
Times and finances have changed and Ardbeg have now priced me out of their market for this one.

Good job I still have a couple of Committee bottles!

]]> By: mmmhumous http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-541 mmmhumous Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:11:08 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-541 Nice sermon ;-) Totally agree with your assessment of why the bottling bears a silly price tag. But I'm still not the willing to pay £70 of £30-40 whisky. Nice sermon ;-)

Totally agree with your assessment of why the bottling bears a silly price tag. But I’m still not the willing to pay £70 of £30-40 whisky.

]]> By: Spirit of Islay http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/2009/08/ardbeg-corryvreckan-exclusive-tasting-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-540 Spirit of Islay Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:30:25 +0000 http://blog.thewhiskyexchange.com/?p=1094#comment-540 Hi Tim , Nice Notes ! I think MHUK have got the price on this totally wrong ! £70 is way too much especially for something that is supposed to be going to be a standard bottling for a while and is younger than the bottle it is replacing . I was expecting it to be more expensive than the Committee release but not nearly twice the price ! In a way i can't blame them when they look at what the idiots on E-bay pay and think we should be having some of that ! But why take it out on genuine fans and drinkers !!! I've had a sample of this and i must say (and i hear it being said already "well he would say that....") it is a very good whisky ( i was really looking forward to it's release), a different fruitness to the Committee one , it is a very good drinking Beg and i said at the time of trying an ideal addition to the range but shame LVMH has spoiled it by the Pricing !!!! Hi Tim ,
Nice Notes !
I think MHUK have got the price on this totally wrong ! £70 is way too much especially for something that is supposed to be going to be a standard bottling for a while and is younger than the bottle it is replacing . I was expecting it to be more expensive than the Committee release but not nearly twice the price !
In a way i can’t blame them when they look at what the idiots on E-bay pay and think we should be having some of that ! But why take it out on genuine fans and drinkers !!!
I’ve had a sample of this and i must say (and i hear it being said already “well he would say that….”) it is a very good whisky ( i was really looking forward to it’s release), a different fruitness to the Committee one , it is a very good drinking Beg and i said at the time of trying an ideal addition to the range but shame LVMH has spoiled it by the Pricing !!!!

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